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    If time originates with the world, there is no coherent t... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→There exists a being from which the world received its existence.

    If time originates with the world, there is no coherent temporal 'before' in which a creator could exist and act causally.

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    • 1.Causality requires temporal ordering: cause must precede effect. Without time, no 'before' exists for causal relations.
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    • 2.If time is part of the created world, asking what existed 'before' time is logically incoherent, like asking north of the North Pole.
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    • 3.A creator acting causally requires duration between intention and action. Timelessness precludes such causal agency.
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    • 1.A timeless agent can possess all causal powers simultaneously without temporal sequence. Timelessness doesn't negate agency itself.
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    • 2.Creation isn't a temporal event requiring prior time; it's the bringing-into-being of spacetime itself from logical/metaphysical necessity.
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    • 3.Incoherence of 'before time' doesn't eliminate causation—it shows temporal causation differs from atemporal metaphysical causation.
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