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    If virtue itself shapes what counts as the right end, the... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→When Aristotle says virtue makes the goal right, he must mean that deliberation typically proceeds from a goal more specific than attaining happiness by acting virtuously.

    If virtue itself shapes what counts as the right end, then deliberation does not begin from a pre-given specific goal but from a character-informed apprehension of what matters.

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    • 1.Virtuous agents perceive ethically salient features others miss; virtue shapes perceptual salience before deliberation begins.
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    • 2.Pre-given goals divorced from character often produce internal conflict; character-informed ends achieve integration of self.
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    • 3.Practical wisdom (phronesis) involves particularized judgment about what matters here-now, not application of fixed objectives.
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    • 1.Character-informed apprehension risks circular reasoning: virtuous agents perceive rightly because they're already virtuous.
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    • 2.Some goals (survival, basic welfare) constrain deliberation independently of virtue; character doesn't create these pre-given ends.
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    • 3.Without stable, pre-deliberative ends, we cannot explain how virtue education stabilizes character toward consistent goods.
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