Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    When Aristotle says virtue makes the goal right, he must ... — Carmelics
    Home/Virtue Ethics
    HistoryEditSee Inverse

    When Aristotle says virtue makes the goal right, he must mean that deliberation typically proceeds from a goal more specific than attaining happiness by acting virtuously.

    Virtue Ethics
    ?Rate how convincing each reason is below to see the overall strength.
    1 reason for
    2 reasons against

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Aristotle cannot mean there is no room for reasoning about our ultimate end, since he reasons about happiness itself.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.More often, a concrete goal (such as helping a friend or supporting a civic project) presents itself as the starting point of deliberation rather than the premise that happiness consists in virtuous activity.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.For Aristotle, virtuous character constitutes the correct perception of what the end is in any given situation, not merely a starting point for further deliberation.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.John McDowell argues that the virtuous person directly perceives the salient features of a situation as reasons for action, bypassing the need for a more specific antecedent goal.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If virtue itself shapes what counts as the right end, then deliberation does not begin from a pre-given specific goal but from a character-informed apprehension of what matters.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason against 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Aristotle's claim in NE 1144a7-9 that virtue makes the goal right is most naturally read as virtue securing the orthos logos about the ultimate end itself, not a subsidiary goal.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Richard Kraut and David Wiggins have argued that phronesis and virtue jointly constitute the capacity to identify eudaimonia as the correct end, making the end-setting function non-derivative.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If virtue's role is to correctly identify happiness as the ultimate end rather than to specify a subordinate goal, the claim's interpretive move to a 'more specific goal' is explanatorily unnecessary.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Sign in or register to share your perspective on this statement.

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.

    Topics

    Virtue Ethics

    Connections

    1 topic

    Truth & Knowledge1 linked

    Related

    Aristotle cannot mean there is no room for reasoning about our ultimate end, sin...Aristotle's claim in NE 1144a7-9 that virtue makes the goal right is most natura...For Aristotle, virtuous character constitutes the correct perception of what the...If virtue itself shapes what counts as the right end, then deliberation does not...
    +4 moreShow less
    If virtue's role is to correctly identify happiness as the ultimate end rather t...John McDowell argues that the virtuous person directly perceives the salient fea...More often, a concrete goal (such as helping a friend or supporting a civic proj...Richard Kraut and David Wiggins have argued that phronesis and virtue jointly co...

    Similar

    When Aristotle says virtue makes the goal right, he does not mean ther...88%True virtue aims at the good of being in general.84%The true goal toward which virtuous behavior leads is pleasure or dele...82%More often, a concrete goal (such as helping a friend or supporting a ...81%

    Source

    AI-extracted1/3 agreementValid
    SEP: aristotle-ethics
    View source passageHide passage
    Aristotle replies: “Virtue makes the goal right, practical wisdom the things leading to it” (1144a7–8). By this he cannot mean that there is no room for reasoning about our ultimate end. For as we have seen, he gives a reasoned defense of his conception of happiness as virtuous activity. What he must have in mind, when he says that virtue makes the goal right, is that deliberation typically proceeds from a goal that is far more specific than the goal of attaining happiness by acting virtuously.
    Extraction notes

    Validity: Extracted via Max plan + API grounding/validity checks

    Details

    Type
    claim
    Perspectives
    3 (1 for, 2 against)
    Edits
    1 edit