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    It is not the case that In civil society, the citizen achieves moral freedom.

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    • 1.The general will can be systematically mistaken about what genuinely serves the common good, as Rousseau himself admits when distinguishing it from the will of all.
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    • 2.Obedience to a mistaken collective law is not self-legislation in any meaningful sense, but rather subjection to aggregated error.
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    • 3.Moral freedom requires that the law one obeys actually tracks rational moral truth, not merely procedural consensus.
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    • 1.Berlin's distinction between positive and negative liberty shows that 'freedom as self-mastery' historically licenses coercion by those who claim to know one's 'true' will.
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    • 2.Rousseau's mechanism of being 'forced to be free' by the general will collapses the distinction between genuine autonomy and rationalized compulsion.
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    • 1.Moral freedom is obedience to a law that one has prescribed to oneself.
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    • 2.In civil society, citizens obey laws they have prescribed to themselves through the general will.
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