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    Interpreting determinism as bypassing is a confusion. — Carmelics
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    Interpreting determinism as bypassing is a confusion.

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    • 1.Determinism holds that all events, including human behavior, are causally determined.
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    • 2.Even if determinism is true, behavior might still be caused by mental states rather than bypassing them.
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    • 1.Pereboom's 'hard incompatibilism' argues determinism does bypass reasons-responsiveness by tracing causes to factors wholly outside the agent.
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    • 2.If the causal chain originates in conditions predating the agent's existence, the agent's mental states are conduits, not originators, of action.
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    • 3.Being a conduit rather than an originator of behavior satisfies the functional definition of bypassing as used in Nichols and Knobe's experimental framework.
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    • 1.Kant distinguished heteronomy from autonomy precisely on whether the will is determined by external causal chains rather than rational self-legislation.
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    • 2.Under determinism, even mental states that appear to mediate behavior are themselves fully fixed by prior external causes, collapsing the autonomy-heteronomy distinction.
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    • 3.If heteronomy constitutes a form of bypassing rational agency, then determinism instantiates bypassing in a philosophically principled, non-confused sense.
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    Of course, if people’s mental states have no impact on their behavior, that is an excellent reason to think that people aren’t morally responsible for their behaviors. So, if people interpret determinism to mean bypassing, it is perfectly rational for them to infer the lack of free will and responsibility from bypassing. However, it seems to be a flat-out confusion to interpret determinism as bypassing. Even if determinism is true, our behavior might be caused (not bypassed) by our mental states
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    Kant distinguished heteronomy from autonomy precisely on whether the will is det...
    Pereboom's 'hard incompatibilism' argues determinism does bypass reasons-respons...
    Under determinism, even mental states that appear to mediate behavior are themse...
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