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    It is not the case that It is not that someone has committed an infinitely evil crime

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    Reasons For

    8 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.no finite creature deserves torture
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    • 3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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    Reason for 2 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.no finite creature deserves torture
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    • 3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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    Reason for 3 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.the only thing that deserves punishment infinite in duration is an infinitely evil crime
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    • 3.finite beings are incapable of doing anything deserving punishment infinite in duration
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    Reason for 4 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.No finite creature deserves misery
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    • 3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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    Reason for 5 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.the only thing that deserves punishment infinite in duration is an infinitely evil crime
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    • 3.finite beings are incapable of doing anything deserving punishment infinite in duration
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    Reason for 6 of 8
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    • 1.Humans are finite
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    • 2.No finite creature deserves misery
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    • 3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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    Reason for 7 of 8
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    • 1.their sin is heinous enough to warrant it
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    • 2.if the above is true, then it follows that people have committed infintely evil crimes
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    Reason for 8 of 8
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    • 1.their sin is heinous enough to warrant it
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    • 2.if the above is true, then it follows that people have committed infintely evil crimes
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    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
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    • 1.Moral gravity is determined by the nature and dignity of the one offended, not solely by the capacity of the offender (Anselm, Cur Deus Homo).
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    • 2.If offense against an infinite being generates infinite guilt, this reflects the victim's infinite worth, not the commission of an infinitely evil act by the agent.
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    • 3.An infinitely evil crime requires infinite malice in the perpetrator, which finite humans, lacking infinite will, are constitutively incapable of possessing.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Jonathan Edwards' proportionality argument conflates the infinite extension of punishment with the infinite magnitude of wrongdoing, a category error between duration and moral weight.
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    • 2.Retributive justice requires proportionality between the desert of the agent and the punishment imposed, meaning infinite punishment tracks infinite culpability in the agent, not merely the dignity of the victim.
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    • 3.Since finite agents possess only finite culpability regardless of whom they offend, eternal punishment cannot be grounded in the nature of the crime committed.
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