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It is not that someone has committed an infinitely evil c... — Carmelics

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It is not that someone has committed an infinitely evil crime

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1.Moral gravity is determined by the nature and dignity of the one offended, not solely by the capacity of the offender (Anselm, Cur Deus Homo).
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2.If offense against an infinite being generates infinite guilt, this reflects the victim's infinite worth, not the commission of an infinitely evil act by the agent.
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3.An infinitely evil crime requires infinite malice in the perpetrator, which finite humans, lacking infinite will, are constitutively incapable of possessing.
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Reason for 2 of 2

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1.Jonathan Edwards' proportionality argument conflates the infinite extension of punishment with the infinite magnitude of wrongdoing, a category error between duration and moral weight.
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2.Retributive justice requires proportionality between the desert of the agent and the punishment imposed, meaning infinite punishment tracks infinite culpability in the agent, not merely the dignity of the victim.
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3.Since finite agents possess only finite culpability regardless of whom they offend, eternal punishment cannot be grounded in the nature of the crime committed.
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1.Humans are finite
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2.no finite creature deserves torture
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3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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Reason against 2 of 8

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1.Humans are finite
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2.no finite creature deserves torture
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3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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Reason against 3 of 8

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1.Humans are finite
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2.the only thing that deserves punishment infinite in duration is an infinitely evil crime
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3.finite beings are incapable of doing anything deserving punishment infinite in duration
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Reason against 4 of 8

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1.Humans are finite
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2.No finite creature deserves misery
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3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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Reason against 5 of 8

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1.Humans are finite
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2.the only thing that deserves punishment infinite in duration is an infinitely evil crime
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3.finite beings are incapable of doing anything deserving punishment infinite in duration
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Reason against 6 of 8

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1.Humans are finite
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2.No finite creature deserves misery
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3.an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil crime
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Reason against 7 of 8

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1.their sin is heinous enough to warrant it
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2.if the above is true, then it follows that people have committed infintely evil crimes
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Reason against 8 of 8

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1.their sin is heinous enough to warrant it
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2.if the above is true, then it follows that people have committed infintely evil crimes
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Proof of definition segments Against an aspect of God Eternal Conscious Torment

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<html> <head> </head> <body> <p> Someone will eventually try to rephrase this as "Sin is finite" and "the debt is finite." These would likely be accepted. Interestingly, this would mean that the community is accepting the proposition that "people have committed infinitely evil crimes" and "sin/debt is finite" are logical opposites, where if one is true, the other is false, and if one is false, the other is true. </p> </body> </html>

Retributive justice requires proportionality between the desert of the agent and...

Since finite agents possess only finite culpability regardless of whom they offe...

an infinite punishment involves misery

an infinite punishment involves torture

an infinite punishment would come from a human committing an infinitely evil cri...

finite beings are incapable of doing anything deserving punishment infinite in d...

if the above is true, then it follows that people have committed infintely evil ...

no finite creature deserves torture

the only thing that deserves punishment infinite in duration is an infinitely ev...

their sin is heinous enough to warrant it