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    Minds are more abstract than the physical or computational systems that realize them.

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    • 1.A single computational system can realize multiple minds with mutually exclusive cognitive properties.
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    • 2.A mind cannot possess mutually exclusive properties simultaneously.
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    • 3.Therefore, no mind can be identical to the realizing system; minds must be abstract entities distinct from their physical substrates.
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    • 1.Mental properties are identical to physical properties at the appropriate level of description, as argued by token identity theorists like Davidson.
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    • 2.The multiple realizability argument shows functional equivalence across substrates, not that minds are abstract entities distinct from all physical tokens.
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    • 3.An abstract entity that is causally efficacious in producing behavior requires a causal mechanism, which only concrete physical particulars can supply.
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    • 1.The supporting argument conflates a system's capacity to run multiple programs sequentially with simultaneously instantiating mutually exclusive mental states.
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    • 2.A single physical computer running one mind at a time faces no contradiction, just as one brain instantiates one mental state-token at each moment.
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    • 3.If no contradiction arises in the physical substrate across time, the argument from mutual exclusivity fails to establish that minds must be abstract.
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    Cole (1991) offers an additional argument that the mind doing the understanding is neither the mind of the room operator nor the system consisting of the operator and the program: running a suitably structured computer program might produce answers submitted in Chinese and also answers to questions submitted in Korean. Yet the Chinese answers might apparently display completely different knowledge and memories, beliefs and desires than the answers to the Korean questions – along with a denial th
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