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    Moral laws can be known with the same necessity as mathematical principles.

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    • 1.Modal ideas like justice and property refer to nothing outside the mind.
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    • 2.Ideas that do not depend on extramental archetypes can be universally and adequately conceived.
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    • 3.Triangularity is known perfectly because it does not depend on the existence of triangles outside the mind.
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    • 1.Mathematical necessity derives from formal relations among abstract objects, while moral claims purport to govern actual human conduct in the world.
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    • 2.A claim that governs conduct must connect to contingent facts about human nature, social circumstances, and consequences that formal definitions alone cannot supply.
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    • 3.Locke's own derivation of property rights from labor presupposes empirical premises about scarcity and self-ownership that are contested, not self-evident.
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    • 1.Hume demonstrated that no arrangement of definitional truths can yield an 'ought' conclusion without an independent normative premise smuggled in.
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    • 2.If moral ideas are purely nominal constructs like Locke's mixed modes, their internal consistency establishes only coherence, not binding moral obligation.
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    • 3.Spinoza and Leibniz showed that mathematical necessity requires an account of why the axioms themselves are true, a demand Locke's voluntarism cannot satisfy without circularity.
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    This might seem to be a tall order when considering the controversy generated by beliefs about moral rules, yet Locke clearly believes that moral rules can, with the right mental effort, yield indisputable universal laws. Locke offers an example of how this might work, by analyzing the moral proposition Where there is no property, there is no injustice. In order to see the demonstrable certainty of this claim, we have to examine the composite ideas and how those agree or disagree with one anothe
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    Modal ideas like justice and property refer to nothing outside the mind.
    Spinoza and Leibniz showed that mathematical necessity requires an account of wh...
    Triangularity is known perfectly because it does not depend on the existence of ...
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