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    It is not the case that Moral laws can be known with the same necessity as mathematical principles.

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    • 1.Mathematical necessity derives from formal relations among abstract objects, while moral claims purport to govern actual human conduct in the world.
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    • 2.A claim that governs conduct must connect to contingent facts about human nature, social circumstances, and consequences that formal definitions alone cannot supply.
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    • 3.Locke's own derivation of property rights from labor presupposes empirical premises about scarcity and self-ownership that are contested, not self-evident.
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    • 1.Hume demonstrated that no arrangement of definitional truths can yield an 'ought' conclusion without an independent normative premise smuggled in.
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    • 2.If moral ideas are purely nominal constructs like Locke's mixed modes, their internal consistency establishes only coherence, not binding moral obligation.
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    • 3.Spinoza and Leibniz showed that mathematical necessity requires an account of why the axioms themselves are true, a demand Locke's voluntarism cannot satisfy without circularity.
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    • 1.Modal ideas like justice and property refer to nothing outside the mind.
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    • 2.Ideas that do not depend on extramental archetypes can be universally and adequately conceived.
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    • 3.Triangularity is known perfectly because it does not depend on the existence of triangles outside the mind.
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