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    It is not the case that Mortality is a misfortune (death is bad for us).

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    • 1.A deprivation can only be bad for a subject if that subject exists to be harmed by it (the 'no subject' problem, Epicurus).
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    • 2.Death eliminates the very subject who would be deprived, so there is no persisting 'us' for death to be bad for.
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    • 3.Without a harmed subject at the time of the deprivation, death fails the basic condition required to count as a misfortune for the deceased.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Whether more life is good depends on the quality and narrative completeness of that life, not merely its quantity (Bernard Williams, 1973).
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    • 2.An immortal or indefinitely extended life would eventually exhaust the categorical desires that make continued existence valuable, rendering further life tedious rather than good.
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    • 3.If more life is not always better, Nagel's premise that death always deprives us of something good is false, and mortality need not be a universal misfortune.
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    • 1.The normality and inevitableness of death do not imply that it would not be good to live longer.
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    • 2.Whenever death comes, it would have been good to live longer, so it is bad for us that we will not.
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    • 3.If there is no limit to the amount of life that it would be good to have, then a bad end is in store for us all.
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