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    Natural properties like H2O and water are identical despi... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→There is a property of goodness that is not identical to any naturalistic property of X-ness

    Natural properties like H2O and water are identical despite 'water is H2O' not being analytically true, so 'good' could pick out a natural property non-analytically.

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    • 1.Water's identity with H2O is discovered empirically, not through conceptual analysis, yet the identity is metaphysically real and necessary.
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    • 2.If natural kind terms can refer to non-analytic identities, 'good' could similarly refer to a natural property without being definitionally reducible.
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    • 3.Moral naturalism explains moral objectivity better than non-naturalism, and the water/H2O model shows how such reference works without analyticity.
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    • 1.H2O is a physical structure publicly observable and scientifically measurable; no property proposed for 'good' has comparable empirical accessibility.
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    • 2.The water case works because H2O and water share reference via causal-historical chains; moral properties lack equivalent causal-historical grounding mechanisms.
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    • 3.Even if 'good' picks out something natural non-analytically, this requires independent argument that such a property exists—the analogy alone doesn't establish it.
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