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    Nature and mind are identical — not merely reciprocally d... — Carmelics
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    Nature and mind are identical — not merely reciprocally dependent — such that nature is mind made visible and mind is invisible nature.

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    • 1.The system of nature is at the same time the system of our mind.
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    • 2.Nature and mind, matter and concept are the same in the sense that one is the other and vice versa, not merely correlated while retaining independent reality.
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    • 3.Finite minds are forced by natural predisposition to distinguish 'outside us' from 'in us', but this distinction is a feature of perspective, not of reality itself.
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    • 1.Nature exhibits causal powers and structural regularities that obtain independently of any mind's conceptual activity.
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    • 2.If nature were literally identical to mind, natural laws could not explain why minds are constrained by empirical reality rather than constituting it freely.
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    • 3.Schelling's identity thesis conflates epistemic interdependence with ontological identity, a fallacy Kant's transcendental idealism explicitly avoids.
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    • 1.The existence of unfossilized evolutionary history predating any finite or absolute mind entails a nature that was real before mind emerged.
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    • 2.Meillassoux's 'arche-fossil' argument demonstrates that correlationist identity claims cannot coherently account for an ancestral reality prior to givenness.
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    Fichte’s dynamic conception of idealism was adopted almost immediately by Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph Schelling (1775–1854), who in the first period of his philosophical career became next to Fichte the most outspoken defender of this hybrid variety of idealism. In doing so he transformed Fichte’s I-centered approach to reality via an analysis of the conditions of knowledge/cognition and agency into an idealistic version of a monistic ontology. In this he was followed by Hegel. Whereas Fichte had m
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