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    Challenges→It is preferable to open our conception of democracy and think about alternate values and procedures suited to the global system rather than simply transplanting existing national models

    No alternative values or procedures can substitute for a demos, making global democracy conceptually incoherent rather than merely institutionally underdeveloped.

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    • 1.Democracy requires a bounded demos with shared identity, common institutions, and mutual accountability—features absent at global scale.
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    • 2.Without a demos, procedural alternatives (expertise, consensus, markets) lack democratic legitimacy because they bypass constituent authorization.
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    • 3.Historical attempts at supranational democracy (EU) reveal structural limits: citizens identify primarily with nation-states, not continental bodies.
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    • 1.The demos requirement assumes nation-states are natural units, but they're historical constructs; transnational communities of interest exist empirically.
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    • 2.Scaled democratic procedures (weighted representation, subsidiarity, transparency) can distribute power democratically without requiring single unified demos.
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    • 3.Rejecting global democracy as conceptually incoherent effectively privileges national sovereignty over addressing genuinely global problems requiring coordinated solutions.
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