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    No natural element (earth, fire, water, air) can qualify as a being (as having being).

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    • 1.Natural elements, like syllables, cannot exist by themselves but only in combination with other elements.
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    • 2.No bodily entity can qualify as a being because bodies are subject to change.
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    • 1.The Stoics held that pneuma, a mixture of fire and air pervading all bodies, constitutes an active, self-sustaining principle that organizes and individuates material substances.
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    • 2.An element that actively organizes, persists, and individuates cannot be dismissed as lacking being merely because it participates in combination with other elements.
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    • 3.The argument from combination conflates ontological dependence with ontological deficiency, since relational existence does not entail non-being.
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    • 1.Aristotle argues that prime matter, though imperceptible, underlies all elemental change and thus possesses a stable ontological status as pure potentiality.
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    • 2.If prime matter persists through elemental transformations, at least one natural substrate has a persistent being that grounds change rather than being undermined by it.
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    Numenius maintains a sharp distinction between the sensible and the intelligible world—the realms of becoming and (true or pure) being respectively (fr. 16.8–10). In his On the Good he proceeds in an ontologically ascending order, starting with sensible (physical) entities, moving to the intelligible ones (including Platonic Forms), and finally to the first principle, the Good, that is the Platonic Form of the Good in the Republic (508e) that he identifies with God (that is, the first and highes
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