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    It is not the case that Not all pleasure and pain in the world is produced by the actions of virtuous or vicious people.

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    • 1.Plantinga's free will defense extends to natural evil by attributing it to the free choices of non-human rational agents such as Satan.
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    • 2.If demonic agency is metaphysically coherent, then apparent counterexamples like earthquakes or disease may still be products of vicious willing.
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    • 3.The claim therefore fails to establish a genuine category of evil beyond the reach of agent-based moral explanation.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Within Augustinian and Leibnizian theodicy, natural evil is traceable to the Fall, making all suffering a consequence of moral agency.
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    • 2.If original sin or primordial free choices corrupt natural order itself, then natural-law-produced suffering remains rooted in vicious human (or angelic) action.
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    • Some pleasure and pain results from the operation of natural laws rather than from human agency.
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