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    Not even an omnipotent being can causally determine a gen... — Carmelics
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    Supports→Free will introduces into the universe an element that, from God's perspective, is utterly random in that it lies outside of God's direct causal control.
    Supports→If a person freely acts wrongly in a given set of circumstances, it was not within God's power to induce that person to have freely acted otherwise in the exact same circumstances.

    Not even an omnipotent being can causally determine a genuinely free choice.

    Afterlife & DeathEternal Conscious Torment
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    • Freedom and determinism are incompatible (the libertarian understanding of free will).
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    • 1.Aquinas and Molina argue God's knowledge via middle knowledge or primary causation moves the will from within, making God the source of the very act of willing itself.
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    • 2.If God moves the will as its interior final cause rather than an external constraint, the incompatibility between omnipotent causation and free choice is not self-evident.
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    • 3.The libertarian premise that causal determination entails unfreedom assumes external determination, which classical theists explicitly deny in accounts of divine concurrence.
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    • 1.Classical compatibilists (Hume, Frankfurt) hold that freedom requires acting from one's own desires without external compulsion, not absence of causal determination.
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    • 2.If compatibilism is coherent, an omnipotent being could causally determine the conditions from which a genuinely free choice flows without violating freedom.
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    Unlike the Augustinians, Arminian theologians emphasize the role that free will plays in determining one’s eternal destiny in heaven or hell; they also accept the so-called libertarian understanding of free will, according to which freedom and determinism are incompatible (see the entry on free will)). Because not even an omnipotent being can causally determine a genuinely free choice, the reality of free will, they say, introduces into the universe an element that, from God’s perspective, is utterly random in that it lies outside of God’s direct causal control. Accordingly, if some person s...

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