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    Not everything in the world is perfect or good, which con... — Carmelics
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    Not everything in the world is perfect or good, which contradicts the claim that God includes everything and God is perfect or good.

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    • 1.Spinoza's pantheism identifies God with Nature in its totality, yet Nature demonstrably contains predation, disease, and suffering as structural features.
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    • 2.If God is identical to the totality of Nature, and Nature contains intrinsic evils, then God cannot coherently be described as wholly perfect or good.
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    • 3.A being that essentially contains imperfection cannot satisfy the classical theistic definition of perfection, creating an internal contradiction in perfectionist pantheism.
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    • 1.William Rowe's evidential argument establishes that gratuitous suffering—suffering serving no greater good—exists in the natural world.
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    • 2.If God includes all things and gratuitous suffering exists within God's being, then divine perfection is not merely limited but logically undermined from within.
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    • 3.No theodicy available to classical theism transfers coherently to pantheism, since pantheism cannot externalize evil as a privation outside God's nature.
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    • 1.If God includes everything and God is perfect or good, then everything which exists ought to be perfect or good.
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    • 2.Common experience shows that much in the world is very far from perfect or good.
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    Historically one of the strongest and most persistent objections to pantheism is that, because of its all-encompassing nature, it seems inhospitable to the differentiations of value that characterise life. In what might be thought of as a pantheistic version of the problem of evil, it is challenged that if God includes everything and God is perfect or good, then everything which exists ought to be perfect or good; a conclusion which seems wholly counter to our common experience that much in the
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