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    It is not the case that Nothing ever moves with respect to God.

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.The Zero Thesis conflates omnipresence with non-spatiality: God being equally present everywhere is not identical to zero distance from all points.
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    • 2.If distance is literally zero between God and all spatial things, God must occupy the same location as every spatial thing, which collapses divine transcendence into pantheism.
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    • 3.Motion is defined relationally between distinct spatial positions, so if God has no spatial position, the concept of relative motion is inapplicable rather than zero.
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    • 1.Process theologians like Whitehead argue God is genuinely temporal and responsive, meaning God's relationship to moving objects changes as those objects change.
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    • 2.If God's relationship to a moving object genuinely changes over time, then from God's perspective something has moved, contradicting the claim that nothing moves with respect to God.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.The Zero Thesis says that the distance between God and any spatial thing is zero, and that it always is zero.
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    • 2.If the distance between God and any spatial thing is always zero, then nothing ever moves with respect to God.
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