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    Nothing ever moves with respect to God. — Carmelics
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    Supports→There is no change with respect to God.

    Nothing ever moves with respect to God.

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    • 1.The Zero Thesis says that the distance between God and any spatial thing is zero, and that it always is zero.
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    • 2.If the distance between God and any spatial thing is always zero, then nothing ever moves with respect to God.
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    • 1.The Zero Thesis conflates omnipresence with non-spatiality: God being equally present everywhere is not identical to zero distance from all points.
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    • 2.If distance is literally zero between God and all spatial things, God must occupy the same location as every spatial thing, which collapses divine transcendence into pantheism.
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    • 3.Motion is defined relationally between distinct spatial positions, so if God has no spatial position, the concept of relative motion is inapplicable rather than zero.
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    • 1.Process theologians like Whitehead argue God is genuinely temporal and responsive, meaning God's relationship to moving objects changes as those objects change.
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    • 2.If God's relationship to a moving object genuinely changes over time, then from God's perspective something has moved, contradicting the claim that nothing moves with respect to God.
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    The Zero Thesis says not only that the distance between God and any spatial thing is zero, but also that it always is zero. Therefore nothing ever moves with respect to God. Moreover, all change supervenes on motion, e.g., change in color supervenes on motion in microparticles. So there is no change with respect to God (Leftow 1991: 227). Therefore, God and all spatial things share a frame of reference, the reference frame of eternity, in which nothing changes. In this reference frame, all events are simultaneous, including God’s actions and their effects. That is, they all occur at eternity, ...

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