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    It is not the case that Omniscience is incompatible with immutability.

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.An omniscient God can know all tensed truths eternally by knowing the complete four-dimensional structure of time from an atemporal vantage point.
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    • 2.Knowing that 'event E occurs at time T' is a timeless propositional fact that does not change truth value, even as temporal beings experience E's occurrence as present, then past.
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    • 3.Boethius and Aquinas demonstrate that eternal knowledge of temporal events requires no successive acts of knowing and thus no change in the knower.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.The argument assumes that omniscience requires knowing indexical propositions like 'it is now T,' but an atemporal being has no 'now' relative to which such indexicals function.
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    • 2.Norman Kretzmann's own analysis, when extended by Brian Leftow, shows that an eternal God knows all events 'at once' in eternity, making temporal indexicals inapplicable to divine cognition rather than evidence of divine ignorance.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.As things change over time, propositions reporting what is the case change in truth value.
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    • 2.Being omniscient requires knowing different things at different times.
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    • 3.Knowing different things at different times requires changing, which is incompatible with being immutable.
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