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    Painting and music are best suited to represent objects i... — Carmelics
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    Painting and music are best suited to represent objects in space and successions of events in time, respectively.

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    • 1.Painting uses natural signs that communicate their objects by resemblance between the signs' fundamental properties and the objects' fundamental properties.
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    • 2.Music uses natural signs of succession.
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    • 3.Natural signs communicate through resemblance to their objects, making them suited to represent what they resemble.
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    • 1.The claim rests on Lessing's arbitrary distinction in Laokoon, which conflates the medium's physical substrate with its representational capacity.
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    • 2.Natural signs do not communicate solely by resemblance; Goodman's analysis shows that artistic symbol systems are conventional and dense, not naturally iconic.
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    • 3.If natural signs communicated purely by resemblance, purely abstract music and non-representational painting would lack semiotic grounding, yet both demonstrably convey meaning.
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    • 1.Music can represent spatial relationships through harmonic tension and resolution, as Schopenhauer argued in representing the will's strivings across all dimensions.
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    • 2.Painting represents temporal succession through narrative sequencing within a single frame, as Lessing himself acknowledged in discussing the 'pregnant moment' technique.
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    Gotthold Ephraim Lessingmodern
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    In fact, Herder suggests two different classifications of the arts, and a central challenge in the interpretation of his aesthetics is to see how they are connected. In the first of the Groves of Criticism, Herder argues that Lessing’s distinction between the visual arts as the representation of objects in space at a single moment in time and poetry as the representation of a succession of events in time confuses poetry with music. Lessing thereby misses what is essential to poetry altogether, n
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    Painting uses natural signs that communicate their objects by resemblance betwee...
    The claim rests on Lessing's arbitrary distinction in Laokoon, which conflates t...
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