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    It is not the case that Particular finite modes do not exist necessarily

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    • 1.If God's nature necessarily includes all its modes of expression, then every finite mode is an eternal logical consequence of the one substance.
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    • 2.Spinoza's Ethics 1p16 establishes that infinitely many things follow necessarily from God's nature in infinitely many ways, with no exception for finite modes.
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    • 3.A necessary consequence of a necessarily existing being inherits that necessity, making the distinction between infinite and finite modes modally arbitrary.
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    • 1.Curley's mediating interpretation requires causal chains outside God's absolute nature, but Spinoza explicitly denies any ontological ground external to God in Ethics 1p15.
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    • 2.If finite modes depend entirely on immanent causation within the one substance, then their causal insufficiency relative to God's nature is a distinction without modal force.
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    • 1.Necessitarianism for finite modes would require finite modes to follow entirely from God's nature
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    • 2.Finite modes only partly follow from God's nature under Curley's interpretation
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    • 3.Partial following from God's nature is insufficient to transfer necessary existence to finite modes
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