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    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
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    It is not the case that Perfect justice requires that sinners repent, that God forgive repentant sinners and they forgive each other, and that God overcome any harm sinners do to others or themselves.

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    • 1.Retributive justice, defended by Kant, holds that punishment proportional to desert is intrinsically required, independent of reconciliation.
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    • 2.If retributive desert is a component of perfect justice, then forgiveness without proportional punishment may itself constitute an injustice.
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    • 3.Therefore, a conception of perfect justice that reduces to reconciliation and restoration alone omits a well-grounded dimension of justice.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Victim-centered justice traditions, including those drawn from Simone Weil and certain Holocaust theologians, hold that some harms are irreducibly non-restorable.
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    • 2.If divine omnipotence cannot restore the subjective lived experience of suffering already endured, then the claim that God 'overcomes' harm is conceptually imprecise.
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    • 3.A justice framework built on a contested and potentially incoherent premise about divine restoration cannot be designated 'perfect' without begging the question.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Justice requires reconciliation and restoration, not merely punishment.
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    • 2.Only God has the power to achieve true restoration in cases like murder, because divine omnipotence can resurrect the victims.
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    • 3.Sinners must turn away from everything that would separate them from God and from others.
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