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    Perfect justice requires that sinners repent, that God fo... — Carmelics
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    Perfect justice requires that sinners repent, that God forgive repentant sinners and they forgive each other, and that God overcome any harm sinners do to others or themselves.

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    • 1.Justice requires reconciliation and restoration, not merely punishment.
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    • 2.Only God has the power to achieve true restoration in cases like murder, because divine omnipotence can resurrect the victims.
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    • 3.Sinners must turn away from everything that would separate them from God and from others.
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    • 1.Retributive justice, defended by Kant, holds that punishment proportional to desert is intrinsically required, independent of reconciliation.
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    • 2.If retributive desert is a component of perfect justice, then forgiveness without proportional punishment may itself constitute an injustice.
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    • 3.Therefore, a conception of perfect justice that reduces to reconciliation and restoration alone omits a well-grounded dimension of justice.
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    • 1.Victim-centered justice traditions, including those drawn from Simone Weil and certain Holocaust theologians, hold that some harms are irreducibly non-restorable.
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    • 2.If divine omnipotence cannot restore the subjective lived experience of suffering already endured, then the claim that God 'overcomes' harm is conceptually imprecise.
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    • 3.A justice framework built on a contested and potentially incoherent premise about divine restoration cannot be designated 'perfect' without begging the question.
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    So what, theoretically, would make things right or fully satisfy justice in the event that someone should commit murder or otherwise act wrongly? Whereas the Augustinians insist that justice requires punishment, other religious writers insist that justice requires something very different, namely reconciliation and restoration (see, for example, Marshall, 2001). Only God, however, has the power to achieve true restoration in the case of murder, because divine omnipotence can resurrect the victims of murder just as easily as it can the victims of old age. According to George MacDonald, whose re...

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