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    It is not the case that Pleasure and pain constitute the very essence of beauty and deformity.

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    Reason for 1 of 2
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    • 1.Beauty can be recognized and attributed to objects even in the complete absence of any experiencing subject capable of pleasure.
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    • 2.Mathematical proofs and geometric forms are judged beautiful by formal properties like elegance and economy, independent of hedonic response.
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    • 3.If beauty were constituted by pleasure, disagreements about beauty would reduce to disagreements about pleasure, but they retain a distinctly evaluative, object-directed character.
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    Reason for 2 of 2
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    • 1.Kant argues beauty involves a judgment of taste claiming universal assent, a normative structure that mere reports of pleasure cannot generate.
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    • 2.Pleasure is a subjective psychological state, but beauty attributions carry an implicit demand that others ought to agree, which pleasure-talk does not.
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Beauty is an order and construction of parts fitted to give pleasure and satisfaction to the soul.
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    • 2.Pleasure and pain are necessary attendants of beauty and deformity.
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