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    It is not the case that Pleasure is not the good

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    Reasons For

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    • 1.If we imagine a life filled with pleasure and then mentally add wisdom to it, the result is made more desirable
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    • 2.The good is something that cannot be improved upon by adding anything to it
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    Reasons Against

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    • 1.Pleasure is a byproduct of activity, not an end in itself — as Aristotle argues in NE X.4, it completes activity like a bloom completes youth.
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    • 2.What completes an end cannot itself be the end, since ends are pursued for their own sake while completions are pursued for the sake of something else.
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    • 3.Therefore pleasure's constitutive dependence on prior activity disqualifies it as the ultimate good, circumventing the objection by showing the added wisdom supplies the real good.
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    Reason against 2 of 2
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    • 1.Mill's own distinction between higher and lower pleasures concedes that pleasures differ in kind, not merely quantity, undermining hedonism's unity as a single good.
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    • 2.If pleasures must be ranked by criteria external to pleasure itself — such as the judgment of a competent judge — then those criteria, not pleasure, constitute the operative standard of the good.
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    • 3.The regress of needing a non-pleasure standard to evaluate pleasures entails that the genuine good is whatever grounds that standard, not pleasure as such.
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