Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that Poetry and rhetoric are distinct from one another among the belles lettres.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    2 perspectives
    Reason for 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Aristotle's Rhetoric demonstrates that persuasion requires emotional and aesthetic appeal, making pleasure a constitutive means of effective rhetoric.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If pleasure is a necessary means within rhetoric, then rhetoric and poetry share the same functional mechanism, undermining their distinction by ultimate purpose.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason for 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Sidney's Apology for Poetry argues that the poet's primary function is to move readers to virtuous action, which is an act of persuasion, not mere aesthetic pleasure.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.If moving an audience toward action is internal to poetic success, then persuasion is not an accidental but an essential feature of poetry, collapsing Baumgarten's distinction.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.The main ultimate purpose of poetry is to please by means of a sensibly perfect discourse.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.The main ultimate purpose of rhetoric is to persuade by means of a sensibly perfect discourse.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Pleasing and persuading are distinct ultimate purposes.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42