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    Poetry and rhetoric are distinct from one another among the belles lettres.

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    • 1.The main ultimate purpose of poetry is to please by means of a sensibly perfect discourse.
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    • 2.The main ultimate purpose of rhetoric is to persuade by means of a sensibly perfect discourse.
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    • 3.Pleasing and persuading are distinct ultimate purposes.
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    • 1.Aristotle's Rhetoric demonstrates that persuasion requires emotional and aesthetic appeal, making pleasure a constitutive means of effective rhetoric.
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    • 2.If pleasure is a necessary means within rhetoric, then rhetoric and poetry share the same functional mechanism, undermining their distinction by ultimate purpose.
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    • 1.Sidney's Apology for Poetry argues that the poet's primary function is to move readers to virtuous action, which is an act of persuasion, not mere aesthetic pleasure.
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    • 2.If moving an audience toward action is internal to poetic success, then persuasion is not an accidental but an essential feature of poetry, collapsing Baumgarten's distinction.
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    Mendelssohn concludes the essay on the “Main Principles of the Fine Arts and Sciences” with a brief but pregnant division of the arts. The basis of his division is a distinction between “natural” and “arbitrary” signs, which has precedents in Du Bos, in Leibniz and Wolff, and beyond all of them in St. Augustine. Signs are natural “if the combination of the subject matter signified is grounded in the very properties of what is designated,” as smoke is a natural product of fire or “The passions ar
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