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    Preferred coherent states tend to get least entangled with the environment and therefore follow the Schrödinger equation more or less undisturbed.

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    • 1.Preferred states are wave packets that are narrow in position and remain narrow because they are also narrow in momentum.
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    • 2.States that are narrow in both position and momentum tend to get least entangled with the environment.
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    • 1.The selection of 'preferred' coherent states presupposes a classical environment, making the argument circular when explaining classicality's emergence.
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    • 2.Zurek's 'existential interpretation' assumes environmental interaction structures that cannot themselves be derived from the Schrödinger equation alone.
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    • 1.Decoherence suppresses interference terms in a preferred basis but leaves a improper mixture, not definite classical outcomes, as Adler and others have argued.
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    • 2.An improper mixed state cannot ground the claim that preferred states 'follow the Schrödinger equation undisturbed' since no single branch is selected.
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    In a number of models of environmental decoherence, however, it is obvious what the dynamical behaviour should be even at the level of individual components. Specifically, in models where the preferred states are coherent states, comparison of the master equation for the reduced state of the system with the evolution of a classical Liouville distribution suggests that the trajectories of individual components in fact approximate surprisingly well the corresponding Newtonian trajectories. Intuiti
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