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    It is not the case that Retributivists who fail to consider variation in offenders' actual or anticipated experiences of punishment are punishing disproportionally.

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    • 1.Punishment severity is properly measured by the objective deprivation imposed, not subjective experience, ensuring equal treatment under law.
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    • 2.Incorporating subjective experience into sentencing creates arbitrary disparities based on morally irrelevant personal characteristics.
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    • 3.Moore and Kant ground proportionality in the gravity of the offense itself, not in the offender's psychological constitution.
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    • 1.Practical epistemic limitations make reliable assessment of anticipated subjective experience of punishment systematically impossible.
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    • 2.A proportionality standard that cannot be reliably operationalized fails as a workable principle of justice, per Hart's demand for institutional feasibility.
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    • 1.Retributivists who fail to consider variation in offenders' actual or anticipated experiences of punishment are not measuring punishment severity properly.
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    • 2.Not measuring punishment severity properly leads to disproportionate punishment.
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