Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    Home/Original/inverse
    See Original
    Inverse View

    It is not the case that Rowe's evidential problem notes that gratuitous suffering among morally aware beings constitutes stronger counter-evidence against theism than moral awareness constitutes for it.

    ?Set your confidence on the premises below to see your aggregate.

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.We lack epistemic access to God's reasons; apparent gratuitousness doesn't prove actual gratuitousness given potential hidden divine purposes.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Moral awareness arguably requires grounding in objective moral facts, which theism better explains than naturalism, offsetting suffering's weight.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.The strength of counter-evidence depends on prior probability assignments; Bayesian calculations don't clearly favor suffering over moral awareness.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    1 perspective
    Reason against
    ?
    • 1.Morally aware beings can recognize suffering as bad, making gratuitous suffering empirically observable and epistemically accessible.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.An omnipotent God could eliminate gratuitous suffering without removing morality, making its persistence a specific divine failure.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Moral awareness itself doesn't require God's existence (naturalistic explanations via evolution suffice), but gratuitous suffering requires explanation.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42