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    It is not the case that Self-deception cannot require that the self-deceptive belief itself be desired.

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    • 1.Freudian wish-fulfillment theory holds that even painful beliefs can be desired as punishments by a self-critical superego.
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    • 2.If unconscious agencies can desire unwelcome beliefs as self-punishment, then 'unwelcome' at the conscious level does not exhaust motivational structure.
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    • 3.A complete account of self-deception must accommodate sub-personal or unconscious desire, not merely first-person avowable desire.
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    • 1.Sartre's analysis of bad faith shows that agents can desire a particular self-image so strongly that they distort evidence to preserve it, even when the resulting belief is nominally unwelcome.
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    • 2.The desire need not be for the belief's propositional content but for the identity-sustaining role the belief plays, making desire integral to the mechanism without requiring the belief itself to be pleasant.
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    • 1.A unified account of self-deception must explain both welcome and unwelcome beliefs.
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    • 2.Unwelcome beliefs, by definition, are not themselves desired.
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