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    It is not the case that Shifting the burden to the theist's proof still requires the sceptic to establish a baseline expectation of what a good God's creation would look like.

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    • 1.Skeptics implicitly appeal to standards when claiming unnecessary suffering exists; this requires some framework of what a better creation would involve.
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    • 2.Without articulating baseline expectations, skeptics risk incoherence—e.g., criticizing both free will theodicies and deterministic divine omniscience.
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    • 3.Refusing to specify what would constitute 'good creation' allows skeptics to reject any theistic explanation as inadequate without principled justification.
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    • 1.Burden of proof applies to positive claims; theism asserts God exists, so theists must prove it without requiring skeptics to first define alternatives.
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    • 2.Skeptics can reasonably identify logical contradictions (omnipotence + suffering) without pre-establishing what a perfect world looks like.
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    • 3.Demanding skeptics build a complete theodicy before rejecting theism is methodologically backwards—it shifts argumentative responsibility unfairly.
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