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    Shifting the burden to the theist's proof still requires ... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The sceptic does not need to prove that God cannot exist on the basis of evil in the world.

    Shifting the burden to the theist's proof still requires the sceptic to establish a baseline expectation of what a good God's creation would look like.

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    • 1.Burden of proof applies to positive claims; theism asserts God exists, so theists must prove it without requiring skeptics to first define alternatives.
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    • 2.Skeptics can reasonably identify logical contradictions (omnipotence + suffering) without pre-establishing what a perfect world looks like.
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    • 3.Demanding skeptics build a complete theodicy before rejecting theism is methodologically backwards—it shifts argumentative responsibility unfairly.
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    • 1.Skeptics implicitly appeal to standards when claiming unnecessary suffering exists; this requires some framework of what a better creation would involve.
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    • 2.Without articulating baseline expectations, skeptics risk incoherence—e.g., criticizing both free will theodicies and deterministic divine omniscience.
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    • 3.Refusing to specify what would constitute 'good creation' allows skeptics to reject any theistic explanation as inadequate without principled justification.
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