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    It is not the case that Social arguments against suicide show at most that suicide is sometimes wrong, not that it is always wrong

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    • 1.Hegel argues that individuals are constitutively social beings whose identity and rational agency are realized only through ethical community (Sittlichkeit).
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    • 2.If the self is not separable from its social relations, then no clean calculation of 'individual benefit vs. social benefit' is coherent—the social harm IS harm to the self.
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    • 3.Therefore the claim's consequentialist framing presupposes an atomistic self that Hegelian social ontology systematically undermines.
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    • 1.Durkheim's sociological analysis establishes that suicide rates are structurally determined by degrees of social integration, not merely individual circumstances.
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    • 2.If the very disposition to weigh one's life as not worth living is itself a symptom of pathological social disintegration, the individual's cost-benefit judgment is systematically unreliable.
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    • 3.A society that permits suicide on such judgments thereby reinforces the anomic conditions that corrupt the very rational agency the permissive argument depends upon.
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    • 1.Society's claim on the individual is not absolute
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    • 2.Suicide is wrong on social grounds only when the benefit the individual gains by dying is less than the benefits denied to society by dying
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