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    Social arguments against suicide show at most that suicid... — Carmelics
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    Social arguments against suicide show at most that suicide is sometimes wrong, not that it is always wrong

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    • 1.Society's claim on the individual is not absolute
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    • 2.Suicide is wrong on social grounds only when the benefit the individual gains by dying is less than the benefits denied to society by dying
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    • 1.Hegel argues that individuals are constitutively social beings whose identity and rational agency are realized only through ethical community (Sittlichkeit).
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    • 2.If the self is not separable from its social relations, then no clean calculation of 'individual benefit vs. social benefit' is coherent—the social harm IS harm to the self.
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    • 3.Therefore the claim's consequentialist framing presupposes an atomistic self that Hegelian social ontology systematically undermines.
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    • 1.Durkheim's sociological analysis establishes that suicide rates are structurally determined by degrees of social integration, not merely individual circumstances.
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    • 2.If the very disposition to weigh one's life as not worth living is itself a symptom of pathological social disintegration, the individual's cost-benefit judgment is systematically unreliable.
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    • 3.A society that permits suicide on such judgments thereby reinforces the anomic conditions that corrupt the very rational agency the permissive argument depends upon.
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    A second brand of social argument echoes Aristotle in asserting that suicide is a harm to the community or the state. One general form such arguments take is that because a community depends on the economic and social productivity of its members, its members have an obligation to contribute to their society, an obligation clearly violated by suicide (Pabst Battin 1996, 70–78, Cholbi 2011, 58–60). For example, suicide denies a society the labor provided by its members, or in the case of those wit
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