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    Socrates frames the myth of Er as a 'saving logos' (621b)... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→The myth of Er is distinct from the eschatological myths of the Gorgias and Phaedo in that it illustrates the obstacles to realizing the philosophical ideal rather than offering the philosopher an escape from the world.

    Socrates frames the myth of Er as a 'saving logos' (621b), a soteriological function it shares with the Phaedo's closing myth, not a departure from it.

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    • 1.Both myths conclude dialogues about immortality and present eschatological visions designed to motivate virtuous living through soteriological promise.
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    • 2.Socrates explicitly invokes 'saving logos' language at 621b, indicating he consciously positions Er's myth within a redemptive theological framework.
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    • 3.The structural parallel—myth as final argument after rational discourse fails—shows consistent Platonic use of myths for spiritual transformation.
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    • 1.The Phaedo myth emphasizes individual soul judgment and the afterlife, while Er's myth stresses cosmic justice and collective reincarnation cycles distinctly.
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    • 2.'Saving logos' at 621b may reference narrative power rather than soteriological function, describing rhetorical efficacy rather than theological equivalence.
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    • 3.Er's myth culminates in Necessity and deterministic choice, whereas Phaedo's ending emphasizes hope and philosophical purification—fundamentally different salvific models.
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