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    It is not the case that Socrates frames the myth of Er as a 'saving logos' (621b), a soteriological function it shares with the Phaedo's closing myth, not a departure from it.

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    • 1.The Phaedo myth emphasizes individual soul judgment and the afterlife, while Er's myth stresses cosmic justice and collective reincarnation cycles distinctly.
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    • 2.'Saving logos' at 621b may reference narrative power rather than soteriological function, describing rhetorical efficacy rather than theological equivalence.
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    • 3.Er's myth culminates in Necessity and deterministic choice, whereas Phaedo's ending emphasizes hope and philosophical purification—fundamentally different salvific models.
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    • 1.Both myths conclude dialogues about immortality and present eschatological visions designed to motivate virtuous living through soteriological promise.
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    • 2.Socrates explicitly invokes 'saving logos' language at 621b, indicating he consciously positions Er's myth within a redemptive theological framework.
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    • 3.The structural parallel—myth as final argument after rational discourse fails—shows consistent Platonic use of myths for spiritual transformation.
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