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    Challenges→Supervenience physicalism avoids the problem that type physicalism faces with institutional properties

    Supervenience without identity merely redescribes the explanatory gap rather than closing it, leaving the grounding relation between institutional and physical properties unexplained.

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    • 1.Supervenience only establishes covariance; it logically permits multiple realizability without explaining why institutional properties depend on physical ones.
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    • 2.Without identity reduction, we lack an account of how physical facts necessitate institutional facts, leaving their relationship merely stipulated rather than grounded.
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    • 3.The explanatory gap persists because supervenience leaves open why *these* physical properties generate *these* institutional properties rather than others.
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    • 1.Grounding and identity are distinct relations; non-reductive grounding (e.g., composition) successfully explains dependence without requiring identity.
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    • 2.Institutional properties may be constituted by physical properties without reduction; constitution provides genuine explanation beyond mere supervenience covariance.
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    • 3.The demand that grounding requires identity assumes physicalist reductionism; pluralists rightly reject this as an unwarranted constraint on explanatory adequacy.
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    Key Terms

    Institutional properties(as used in social ontology)
    Characteristics or features that exist because people have agreed they exist—like the fact that a piece of paper counts as money or that someone has legal authority. They don't exist in nature on their own; they need human agreement to be real.
    Physical properties(as used in philosophy of physics)
    Characteristics of objects that exist in the physical world, like mass, color, size, or temperature—things you could theoretically measure or observe.
    explanatory gap(Central concept in anti-physicalist arguments)
    The alleged in-principle inability to intelligibly explain how consciousness arises from physical processes
    grounding relation(the type of connection between bodies and their grounds)
    The way that one thing serves as the explanation or foundation for another thing's existence.
    identity (in philosophy)(whether the trees are actually identical)
    Sameness or whether two things are actually the same thing, not just very similar.
    supervenience(Philosophy of mind and reduction; contrasted with full reduction)
    A relation in which mental (or higher-level) states are dependent on physiological (or lower-level) states such that any two cases with identical lower-level bases are identical in their higher-level states; a necessary but not sufficient condition for reduction.

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