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    The analogy to fame conflates an epistemic-social concept... — Carmelics
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    Challenges→A solitary divine Person would lack glory.

    The analogy to fame conflates an epistemic-social concept (reputation among others) with an ontological one (the shining-forth of perfection).

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    • 1.Reputation depends on observers' beliefs and social consensus, while perfection's manifestation exists independently of whether anyone recognizes it.
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    • 2.Conflating these categories misleads us: fame can vanish through forgetfulness, but ontological properties don't change based on collective memory.
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    • 3.The analogy obscures how divine glory (if perfection shines forth) requires no audience, unlike fame which is necessarily relational.
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    • 1.All manifestation or 'shining-forth' requires some entity to perceive it; purely unperceived properties seem epistemically indistinguishable from non-existent ones.
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    • 2.The distinction between 'epistemic-social' and 'ontological' assumes these categories cleanly separate, but perfection's expression inherently involves recognition.
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    • 3.If perfection necessarily reveals itself, the analogy to fame may capture something real: both involve visibility as constitutive, not accidental.
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