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    A solitary divine Person would lack glory. — Carmelics
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    A solitary divine Person would lack glory.

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    • 1.A divine Person must have not only splendor (exalted attributes) but also glory.
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    • 2.Glory is something at least akin to fame—a kind of recognition, approval, or appreciation conferred by another.
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    • 3.A solitary divine Person would have no other divine Person to confer glory upon it.
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    • 1.Glory can consist in the perfect self-knowledge and self-appreciation of an infinitely perfect being, requiring no external recognizer.
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    • 2.Aristotle's God achieves the highest activity—self-directed contemplation—without any other mind conferring recognition upon it.
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    • 3.If divine self-knowledge is maximally perfect, the 'recognition' internal to that self-knowledge satisfies whatever glory requires.
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    • 1.The analogy to fame conflates an epistemic-social concept (reputation among others) with an ontological one (the shining-forth of perfection).
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    • 2.In the Thomistic tradition, gloria Dei refers primarily to the manifestation of divine perfection in creation, not to inter-personal approval.
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    • 3.A solitary omniperfect being could manifest its perfections through free creation, thereby possessing glory in this ontologically prior sense.
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    Thus, given that God must be perfect independently of creation, “a truly solitary person would not be divine, for it would not be perfectly loving” (154). Additionally, Layman argues that it is “inconceivable” that a divine Person should flourish without loving another, and that surely only the love of finite selves would not be enough (154–5). A solitary divine Person would be “an appropriate object of pity” (155). Again, Layman argues that the Bible suggests that a divine Person must have not only splendor (exalted attributes) but also glory, “something at least akin to fame–a kind of recogn...
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    Validity: The premises logically entail that a solitary divine Person would lack glory (since glory requires conferral by another, and a solitary Person has no other to confer it), and this argument is clearly present in the source passage.

    Confidence: Clearly articulated argument.

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