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    The artist's restraint in not representing the scream in ... — Carmelics
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    The artist's restraint in not representing the scream in marble must have a reason other than the desire to express nobility of soul

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    • 1.According to the ancient Greeks, crying aloud when in physical pain is compatible with nobility of soul
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    • 2.If crying aloud is compatible with nobility, then the desire to express nobility could not have prevented the artist from depicting the scream
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    • 3.The sculptor (Laocoön) does differ from the poet on this point of representing the scream
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    • 1.Winckelmann's analysis of Greek sculpture shows that noble simplicity and quiet grandeur were central aesthetic ideals governing representation.
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    • 2.An artist committed to these ideals would suppress the scream precisely to express nobility, regardless of whether Greeks permitted crying aloud in life.
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    • 3.The distinction between life-conduct norms and artistic representation norms means Greek tolerance of crying does not constrain sculptural choices.
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    • 1.Lessing's own account in Laokoon concedes that the mouth is not fully open, suggesting the sculptor modulated rather than eliminated expression of pain.
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    • 2.If the restraint were purely technical or material—marble being ill-suited to capturing a fleeting scream—no further reason invoking nobility is needed.
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    • 3.Herder's critique of Lessing establishes that medium-specific constraints sufficiently explain sculptural choices without appealing to moral psychology.
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    if, according to the ancient Greek, crying aloud when in physical pain is compatible with nobility of soul, then the desire to express such nobility could not have prevented the artist from representing the scream in his marble, There must be another reason why he differs on this point from his rival the poet. (Laocoön, chapter 1, pp. 9–11)
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