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    It is not the case that The artist's restraint in not representing the scream in marble must have a reason other than the desire to express nobility of soul

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    • 1.Winckelmann's analysis of Greek sculpture shows that noble simplicity and quiet grandeur were central aesthetic ideals governing representation.
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    • 2.An artist committed to these ideals would suppress the scream precisely to express nobility, regardless of whether Greeks permitted crying aloud in life.
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    • 3.The distinction between life-conduct norms and artistic representation norms means Greek tolerance of crying does not constrain sculptural choices.
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    • 1.Lessing's own account in Laokoon concedes that the mouth is not fully open, suggesting the sculptor modulated rather than eliminated expression of pain.
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    • 2.If the restraint were purely technical or material—marble being ill-suited to capturing a fleeting scream—no further reason invoking nobility is needed.
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    • 3.Herder's critique of Lessing establishes that medium-specific constraints sufficiently explain sculptural choices without appealing to moral psychology.
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    • 1.According to the ancient Greeks, crying aloud when in physical pain is compatible with nobility of soul
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    • 2.If crying aloud is compatible with nobility, then the desire to express nobility could not have prevented the artist from depicting the scream
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    • 3.The sculptor (Laocoön) does differ from the poet on this point of representing the scream
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