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    The beauty associated with an ideal cannot be a vague, in... — Carmelics
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    The beauty associated with an ideal cannot be a vague, indeterminate beauty, but must be a beauty fixed by a concept of objective purposiveness.

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    • 1.An ideal of beauty is sought in relation to a specific concept of what the object ought to be.
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    • 2.A concept of objective purposiveness fixes what counts as beautiful for that kind of object.
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    • 3.Vague beauty lacks the determinacy required to serve as a standard or ideal.
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    • 1.For Kant, free beauty (pulchritudo vaga) is precisely beautiful without any concept of what the object ought to be, yet remains genuinely beautiful.
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    • 2.The demand that ideal beauty require objective purposiveness conflates adherent beauty with the purer, concept-independent aesthetic judgment Kant distinguishes.
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    • 3.Fixing beauty by a determinate concept subordinates aesthetic judgment to cognitive or teleological criteria, violating the disinterested autonomy of taste.
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    • 1.Schiller argues in the Aesthetic Letters that the highest beauty arises from a free play of form that resists reduction to any fixed rational concept or purpose.
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    • 2.A beauty 'fixed by concept' would be a beauty determined by the understanding, but Schiller holds that such determination destroys the living unity characteristic of genuine aesthetic experience.
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    the beauty for which an idea [or ideal] is to be sought cannot be a vague beauty, but there must be a beauty fixed by a concept of objective purposiveness, consequently it must not belong to the object of an entirely pure judgment of taste, but rather to one of a partly intellectualized judgment of taste. (CPJ, §17, 5:232–3)
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