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    The belief that all movements cease by virtue of their own nature is in complete contradiction to the laws of nature.

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    • 1.Rest is the opposite of movement.
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    • 2.Nothing moves by virtue of its own nature towards its opposite or its own destruction.
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    • 3.For motion to cease on its own would require motion to move toward its opposite (rest) by its own nature.
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    • 1.Aristotelian physics holds that rest is the natural terminus of terrestrial motion, not its opposite but its proper end or telos.
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    • 2.If rest is the natural end-state of sublunary bodies, then motion ceasing is motion fulfilling its nature, not contradicting it.
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    • 3.Descartes' argument presupposes a symmetry between rest and motion that Aristotle explicitly denies by treating rest as actuality and motion as privation.
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    • 1.The principle that nothing moves toward its own destruction applies to substances, but motion is a mode, not a substance with self-preservation.
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    • 2.Spinoza and scholastic hylomorphists distinguish between modes and substances such that modes can naturally dissolve without violating nature's laws.
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    Foremost among the achievements of Descartes’ physics are the three laws of nature (which, essentially, are laws of bodily motion). Newton’s own laws of motion would be modeled on this Cartesian breakthrough, as is readily apparent in Descartes’ first two laws of nature: the first states “that each thing, as far as is in its power, always remains in the same state; and that consequently, when it is once moved, it always continues to move” (Pr II 37), while the second holds that “all movement is,
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