Skip to content
Carmelics
TopicsThinkersChangesContributorsLoading account…

    Carmelics

    A reasoning platform. Break down any belief into clear reasons, explore both sides, and weigh the evidence honestly.

    Navigate

    • Topics
    • Search
    • Recent Changes
    • Contribute
    • How It Works
    • Glossary
    • Thinkers
    • Contributors
    • About
    • Statistics
    • Terms
    • Privacy

    Database

    Statements
    —
    Perspectives
    —
    Topics
    —

    Press ? for keyboard shortcuts

    LoyalLoyalJusticeJustice
    Made withinDC&Austin
    The cause of defective characters pursuing worthless ends... — Carmelics
    Statements
    321,452
    Perspectives
    108,905
    Topics
    42
    Home/Moral Responsibility
    HistoryEditSee Inverse

    The cause of defective characters pursuing worthless ends lies in the training of their passions, not in an impairment of their capacity to reason.

    Moral ResponsibilityVirtue Ethics
    ?Rate how convincing each reason is below to see the overall strength.
    1 reason for
    2 reasons against

    Reasons For

    1 perspective
    Reason for
    ?
    • 1.Those defective in character possess cleverness, the rational skill needed to achieve their ends.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.We are assuming such persons are normal in their capacity to reason.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.Despite this rational capacity, the ends they seek are often worthless.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reasons Against

    2 perspectives
    Reason against 1 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Practical reasoning itself can be structurally impaired: akratic agents suffer a failure to apply known principles, not merely misdirected passion.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.Aristotle's own account of akrasia in NE VII implies that reason's grip on action can be weakened independently of how passions were trained.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 3.If reason's application can fail mid-deliberation, defective character may involve cognitive impairment, not solely a training deficit in the passions.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Reason against 2 of 2
    ?
    • 1.Frankfurt's hierarchical will theory shows that defective ends can arise from failures in second-order volition, a rational capacity distinct from passion-training.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    • 2.A person may endorse worthless ends through reflective identification, indicating the rational faculty itself—not just trained affect—is oriented toward them.
      ?

      Think about whether this reason is strong or weak

    Sign in or register to share your perspective on this statement.

    Next step

    Based on where you are in your exploration

    Strongest counterpoint
    Explore the most compelling reason on the other side.

    Topics

    Moral ResponsibilityVirtue Ethics

    Related

    A person may endorse worthless ends through reflective identification, indicatin...Aristotle's own account of akrasia in NE VII implies that reason's grip on actio...Despite this rational capacity, the ends they seek are often worthless.Frankfurt's hierarchical will theory shows that defective ends can arise from fa...
    +4 moreShow less
    If reason's application can fail mid-deliberation, defective character may invol...Practical reasoning itself can be structurally impaired: akratic agents suffer a...Those defective in character possess cleverness, the rational skill needed to ac...We are assuming such persons are normal in their capacity to reason.

    Similar

    Those defective in character possess cleverness, the rational skill ne...84%Human beings have character weaknesses that appear impossible to overc...78%Blameworthiness may be sufficiently explained by an act stemming from ...77%If an agent can be irrational or vicious due to lacking certain desire...75%

    Source

    AI-extracted1/3 agreementValid
    SEP: aristotle-ethics
    View source passageHide passage
    Aristotle replies: “Virtue makes the goal right, practical wisdom the things leading to it” (1144a7–8). By this he cannot mean that there is no room for reasoning about our ultimate end. For as we have seen, he gives a reasoned defense of his conception of happiness as virtuous activity. What he must have in mind, when he says that virtue makes the goal right, is that deliberation typically proceeds from a goal that is far more specific than the goal of attaining happiness by acting virtuously.
    Extraction notes

    Validity: Extracted via Max plan + API grounding/validity checks

    Details

    Type
    claim
    Perspectives
    3 (1 for, 2 against)
    Edits
    1 edit