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    The creation of free moral agents carries an inherent ris... — Carmelics
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    The creation of free moral agents carries an inherent risk of ultimate tragedy.

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    • 1.Freedom and determinism are incompatible.
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    • 2.Free agents have the power to choose to separate themselves from God permanently.
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    • 1.A perfectly omniscient creator who foreknows all outcomes bears co-responsibility for the conditions making tragedy possible.
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    • 2.If God could create free beings who all freely choose salvation (as Leibniz's best possible world suggests), then tragedy is not inherent but chosen by the creator.
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    • 3.An omnipotent being who permits avoidable ultimate tragedy when alternatives exist cannot be absolved by appealing to creaturely freedom alone.
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    • 1.Compatibilist freedom, defended by Hume, Frankfurt, and Dennett, holds that genuine moral agency does not require the ability to act contrary to one's deepest nature.
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    • 2.If compatibilism is true, God could have created free moral agents whose characters are constitutively oriented toward the good, eliminating the risk of ultimate tragedy without compromising freedom.
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    The basic idea here is that hell, along with the self imposed misery it entails, is essentially a freely embraced condition rather than a forcibly imposed punishment;[7] and because freedom and determinism are incompatible, the creation of free moral agents carries an inherent risk of ultimate tragedy. Whether essential to our personhood or not, free will is a precious gift, an expression of God’s love for us; and because the very love that seeks our salvation also respects our freedom, God will not prevent us from separating ourselves from him, even forever, if that is what we freely choose...

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