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    The different velocities of celestial spheres are caused ... — Carmelics
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    The different velocities of celestial spheres are caused by differences in nobility between mover and movable, not by resistance or violence.

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    • 1.Celestial spheres undergo no violent motion, because nothing bends their movement and no new place is taken by a sphere.
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    • 2.If motion were purely natural and unimpeded, circular movement should be instantaneous.
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    • 3.Yet some spheres move slowly (such as the sphere of fixed stars) and others move quickly (such as the daily movement).
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    • 1.Aristotle's Physics (VII.1-2) establishes that all motion requires a mover in direct contact, implying relational resistance is intrinsic to any mover-movable pair.
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    • 2.If nobility is a scalar property of movers, spheres of equal nobility would move identically, yet empirical astronomy reveals no such proportional correlation between rank and velocity.
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    • 3.Ibn Bajja's framework smuggles in a quasi-Platonic emanationist hierarchy that lacks the causal mechanism needed to convert ontological rank into determinate kinematic quantities.
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    • 1.Averroes (Long Commentary on De Caelo II.6) argues that celestial velocity differences require a positive account of the movable's receptive capacity, not merely the mover's dignity.
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    • 2.A purely nobility-based account collapses the distinction between efficient and formal causation, making it unclear how the superior nature of the mover produces a specific finite velocity rather than instantaneous motion.
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    [In the heavens] there are no elements of violent motion, because nothing bends their movement, the place of the sphere remains the same and no new place is taken by it. Therefore, circular movement should be instantaneous, but we observe that some spheres move slowly—such as the sphere of fixed stars—and others fast—the daily movement—and that there is neither violence nor resistance among them. The cause for the different velocities is the difference in nobility (sharf) between mover and movab
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