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    The family damages itself by requiring Shun to deny himse... — Carmelics
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    The family damages itself by requiring Shun to deny himself the most important of human relationships

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    • 1.The family's welfare depends on Shun's welfare
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    • 2.Because the family's welfare depends on Shun, the family must recognize Shun's interests as constituting part of its own welfare
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    • 3.Denying Shun marriage denies him the most important of human relationships
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    • 1.In Confucian ethics, filial piety toward parents constitutes the root of all virtue and takes precedence over spousal relationships.
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    • 2.Xunzi and orthodox Confucian texts rank the parent-child bond as ontologically prior to and more constitutive of personhood than marriage.
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    • 3.Therefore, denying Shun marriage does not deny him the 'most important' relationship, but rather preserves the more fundamental one.
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    • 1.The Mencian account of Shun's situation presupposes that family welfare is aggregative, but role-based ethics treats family obligations as irreducibly particular and asymmetric.
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    • 2.A family unit defined by hierarchical role-relations cannot coherently 'damage itself' through acts of parental authority, since that authority is constitutive of the family structure itself.
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    Confucian ethics does not accept (1), but not because it subordinates individual interests to group or collective interests (for criticism of the rather common interpretation of Confucianism as prioritizing the group over the individual, see Hall and Ames 1998). Rather, there is a different conception of the relationship between individual and group interests. The best illustration of this different conception is a story to be found in the Mencius that concerns sage-king Shun. When Shun wanted t
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